No More Spanking

Now this news article caught me off guard, mainly because I didn’t think spanking was legal anywhere.

A state oversight board approved regulations Thursday that may soon outlaw corporal punishment in public schools.

In our state it has been legal in 18 counties!! 18 Counties. If the ban passes we would be only the 29th state to ban spanking….Really. Only 28 states ban spanking. By my math, that leaves 22 states including ours where spanking is legal. Now check this quote.

The changes won’t take effect until the regulations are published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin, probably by the end of November.

The Legislature could still act to prevent the ban from taking effect.

Last week the House Education Committee urged the review board to reject the rules, arguing it could limit teachers’ options in managing their classrooms.

Yep that’s right, people actually said that by banning spanking it could LIMIT teachers options….now I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but I think there are enough options for teachers to properly teach kids. Let me say this to all teachers that find themselves limited when they are no longer able to spank their students…You shouldn’t be teaching!! Obviously you don’t have teaching skills. Stop teaching, you aren’t doing any good. And for those of you that said banning spanking might limit teachers options….I hope those same teachers bend you over and spank the crap out of you, then you’ll hopefully see how stupid that is. Kids should not be spanked. Spanking is a sign that the authoritative figure needs education on how to raise/teach the children.

Read the small article here.

6 Comments so far

  1. Max (unregistered) on November 14th, 2005 @ 11:54 am

    I’ve been a teacher in a public school for over 25 years. Since the removal of spanking in our school, we’ve seen degradation in the ability to control the will of the children that “act out”. Because of your views, dicipline in the schools has definitely lessened our effectivness…

    Most children know that if there is no “real” punishment “pain” that they can take bolder steps against the authority of the teacher.

    Effective teaching does involve adequate discipline to maintain control of the classroom. Although there are several ways to implement dicipline, spanking should be used in only the most severe cases.

    Order in the classroom needs to be restored. If discipline involves spanking, it should be done without anger towards the child and in front of several witnesses to ensure that the child’s diciplinary best interests are served.

  2. Ian (unregistered) on November 14th, 2005 @ 1:04 pm

    My parents were both teachers, I know that doesn’t make me an expert, or even a teacher, but I have seen and read about better ways to deal with problem children. You are teaching them that violence is OK, hitting another person is acceptable, you can continue down that line and perhaps find that students that are spanked might be more likely to find that hitting, instead of dealing with issues, is the better policy. I disagree 100% that spanking should be used.
    To me spanking is a sign of a lack of effort on yours and other teachers. I see spanking as an act of frustration because you and the other teachers that spank do not have the skill sets that are needed in dealing with problem children. Perhaps these children need special attention, and I have many friends that teach those kinds of kids and they are trained to be effective in dealing with problem children.

    There are better way to handle children than threatening them with violence. There is too much violence in the world today, and it’s time for it to end.

    If you want to read into several studies that show that spanking is harmful I would advise you to do so, rather than rely on your 25 years of experience. Perhaps spanking in the short term restores order to your classroom, but one must look past that and into how it affects the children.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics convened a panel of experts in 1996 to study the short term and long term risks of corporal punishment. These were some of their findings:

    1. Corporal punishment should not be used in schools, since there is convincing evidence that it is a significant contributing factor to emotional, legal and social problems

    2. Frequent and harsh spankings can cause young children to bottle up their feelings of fear, anger, and hostility. In later life these children are unusually prone to suicidal thoughts, suicide, and depression.

    3. Children who are physically punished are more likely to grow up approving of it and using it to settle interpersonal conflicts. Even children who have experienced “normal” spankings are almost three times as likely to seriously assault a sibling, compared to children who were not physically disciplined.

    With your years of education I am sure you have seen many things, and perhaps solved some of the issues by spanking. I would like to know if you have found any studies that show that this is in fact good for the children in the short term and long term. I would also like to challenge you and other teachers and parents that believe spanking is correct to first be trained in how to deal with students and children that misbehave without violence. When you say (and in your words dicipline is corporal punishment or spanking) “dicipline in the
    schools has definitely lessened our effectivness…” perhaps you are just not an effective teacher.

  3. salas (unregistered) on November 16th, 2005 @ 12:18 am

    Twenty-five years of teaching experience trumps uncited studies, I think…

    Teachers are shown a lack of respect in today’s society, and it’s time for that to stop.

  4. salas (unregistered) on November 16th, 2005 @ 12:21 am

    Sorry missed the “American Academy of Pediatrics” mention, but still experienced teachers should be given the benefit of the doubt.

  5. Ian (unregistered) on November 16th, 2005 @ 7:55 am

    I think it’s dangerous to assume that a teacher being employed for 25 years will know more than science and studies. True, he’s been around, but I remember my teachers that had been teaching for 25 years, most were not able to relate to us students, and I can see that being a reason that they feel they cannot control the kids. He also might not be an effective teacher, just one that has not gotten fired. I would be far from assuming that my son’s teacher knows more than many scientific studies of the psychological impact on all students when corporal punishment is used.

    An off subject example of using this type of argument that experience trumps science, my great grandmother was a “Healer” in eastern Europe, they used animals and herbs to “Cure” illnesses. She had experience and people trusted her, but I think I’d rather see a doctor before seeing her. Totally unrelated, but same type of argument.

    I trust teachers to teach, but not to use violence against children. I think violence in any arena is wrong, and we should be teaching children that there are better ways than hitting. If anyone can find studies that show that corporal punishement is a good thing, I will read it, but so far in all my reading I have not found that to be the case.

  6. Sarah (unregistered) on November 18th, 2005 @ 5:11 pm

    My two cents – if more parents would spank their kids at home when they’re bad, (not beating, but an expanation before the spanking on the behind is given) The teachers would have more respect from those children and not have to administer what the parents should be doing in the first place. I know when I grew up in the 1940’s we had great respect for the teachers and our parents. I had my behind wallopped a few times and looking back, I deserved every wack. It was a reminder and deterrent to me. I don’t know why this would have changed for our generation of children.

    If you want to study for yourself, have a look at any number of “Psychologist’s” children versus a child of a family with both mother and father that discipline that child with spanking.
    Compare for yourself which children are better behaved.

    Look at Asia and China specifically and compare our cultures with theirs. You’ll quickly find your answer.

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